Question concerning joining towns for 'malicious intent'

[agentjwall]

I've heard a lot of different interpretations of this rule recently so I'd just like to get a final verdict If you don't mind...

Any attempt to join a town for malicious purposes is strictly prohibited.

So far the two interpretations of the rule are as follows:
--You cannot do anything malicious in a town Only if you are part of it (If you're on the regions for another reason you can do anything as long as It doesn't go against a server rule).
--Being on the town regions for whatever reason means that it is against the rules to do anything malicious.

I hope someone can clarify what is the correct interpretation, Thanks!

 

[Howdanrocks]

The way I've always interpreted it is that you may not join a town with the intent to cause harm to it. Like joining a town then the next day robbing them blind.

But it isn't morally right to betray the trust of a town that has you on their regions even if you aren't part of their town.

 

[HojoBear]

Also, you could join a town for no malicious purposes, but than weeks or months later do malicious things to the town. This wouldn't be violating the "attempt to join a town for malicious purposes", as you didn't join the town to do these things. Also, people could say that they initially didn't join the town to steal from it, but the people were mean to them, they didn't get a plot, etc. and they decided to do malicious things. The rule would then become more of a personal issue that couldn't be solved by saying "he did this" or "she did that".

 

[Dielan9999]

I think it's not so much robbing them blind, but griefing the town. Even if it's just a hole in the wall so a band of raiders can get in with ease.


Then all your stuff gets stolen anyway.

 

[agentjwall]

Yah It seems correct to assume that deciding to do malicious things after joining a town is still against the rule because otherwise someone could just say "I didn't join ____ town to steal originally" to get off the hook.

What I want to know though is if it's illegal say, for someone doing work in my town (and is on the regions) to open up a covered chest or break through a wall and place the block back (since that wouldn't be giefing) where the malicious intent law would be the only one applicable...

 

[Neotetro]

The way I see it is this.

3.2.1 Any attempt to join a town for malicious purposes is strictly prohibited. (This includes but it not limited to):

• Joining a town to steal rare blocks
• Joining a town to make holes for raiders
• Joining a town to attempt to steal members

If you suspect this happened to you, PE it and send any available evidence to staff via the forums. They can always check the chat and activity logs of players who are suspected of breaking this rule.

 

[whitemagehealu]

The way I see it is this.

3.2.1 Any attempt to join a town for malicious purposes is strictly prohibited. (This includes but it not limited to):

• Joining a town to steal rare blocks
• Joining a town to make holes for raiders
• Joining a town to attempt to steal members

If you suspect this happened to you, PE it and send any available evidence to staff via the forums. They can always check the chat and activity logs of players who are suspected of breaking this rule.

As you see that doesn't apply to theft from chests. :/

 

[Neotetro]

As you see that doesn't apply to theft from chests. :/

Unfortunately that is a very fuzzy area. This is why we were given LWC's for lower prices as mayors. I whole-heartedly agree that it should be illegal but for now, we have to make due.

 

[Diavolo1988]

Well, by doing these things you have a chance of being banned from the server (as one is breaking a rule). But if that doesnt happen and the things you're doing is "legal", the person doing this will still be put on the blacklist.

Being on the blacklist means that no town should accept you as a citizen, noone should trust you, noone should allow you region access to anything. You should be killed on sight by anyone in the server, just because getting on the blacklist must make you such a douchebag that you deserve getting repeatedly killed by everyone in the server. (not spawn camped though, since that is illegal) So, even if this might be "legal" and they dont get banned, it should make them quit playing in HC anyway.

 

[MajorasMask]

I thought it was illegal to steal from your own town?

 

[strongholdx]

this discussion is age old. people have always wondered and asked what this means and there is no line on what is and isn't legal here. It's like the right to bear arms, it can be interpereted differently.

Here is my advice: don't join a town with any other intention other than to join. It's like hacking, just don't do it and you won't have to worry about being in trouble for it

 

[agentjwall]

Here is my advice: don't join a town with any other intention other than to join. It's like hacking, just don't do it and you won't have to worry about being in trouble for it

I wanted to know from a town owner's perspective and hiring labor, But sage advice none-the-less. I'd never join a town for any sort of malicious purpose, regardless of what my political connections are!

 

[GraRona]

What happens if you join a town for the sole reason of joining the town and after some time decide to steal from it?

 

[whitemagehealu]

What happens if you join a town for the sole reason of joining the town and after some time decide to steal from it?

Nothing... stealing isn't illegal.

 

[HojoBear]

Nothing... stealing isn't illegal.

Wait really? Doesn't that make malicious intent be based solely on what each person is thinking about why they joined a town? Because if what you said is true, people can say they joined the town because they liked it, but then stole from it a day later.

 

[Aerokii]

What happens if you join a town for the sole reason of joining the town and after some time decide to steal from it?

From what I can tell, the rule in place is more to prevent block griefing than chest stealing. So, if your town has a bank made of solid gold, if you joined and took those blocks then left, you'd likely be breaking a rule. However, if you broke into the bank and looted the chests, that'd be perfectly legal.

However, both actions would result in you being added to the town blacklist.

 

[KrunknMunky]

Hmm after reading this topic, I am a little disappointed in this rule It pretty much becomes irrelevant, as stealing blocks is completely illegal no matter who you are. I certainly hope stealing from chests of people in your town is illegal!

 

[Steamed]

Hmm after reading this topic, I am a little disappointed in this rule It pretty much becomes irrelevant, as stealing blocks is completely illegal no matter who you are. I certainly hope stealing from chests of people in your town is illegal!

I dont think there is a server rule about stealing from your own town, but mayors can certainly remove you from the town if they see fit. Most towns also have it in their town rules.

 

[agentjwall]

From what I've gathered since this rule has been enacted:

• Stealing, letting hostiles in a town, greafing, etc. while an active member in a town is considered Malicious and is against the rule.

What I don't know:

• if "joining a town" includes just being on the regions or having to be an active member in said town...

Although I could be entirely wrong. We could really use a clarification form the "higher ups" right about now...

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