Lava Buckets...

[Kainzo]

Right now they are currently restricted to Crafters Lvl 30 and all specs have them.

I think in PVP the lava damage is so severe it may be game altering. Which means we need to find ways to fix this, either by lowering the lava damage (universally) or restricting Lavabucket to Masons (means no one can place lava unless they go mason,etc)

Your thoughts?

 

[GraRona]

Lowering the damage please. I don't want even more restrictions then there already are.

 

[Plasma78]

if you lower the damage across the board, falling into lava wont be much of a threat when digging or for traps.
if its restricted to masons, they would benefit coin wise and be more valuable as they would be only ones who could place it.

and if a dragoon/mason with a lava bucket dont scare you.....

and it was restricted to crafters last map.. and worked out fine.. as did the shears.

 

[GraRona]

Plasma brought up a good point. Even if it is restricted to masons, a pvper would go mason profession and would have a huge advantage. I think things are restricted enough and that there doesn't need to be another restriction. Plus, masons have enough to get them money like selling their ability to make bridges, gates etc. Giving them lava would let them get even more money.

 

[wolfgang784]

Since you get a profession now and I am against making lava damage lower than it is, I would just say make lava buckets in pvp against the rules. If someone does it, they get a warning.

Lava already doesn't hurt that much for some reason. I have fallen into lava several times as a level 30 ish beast master and it only did a heart every few seconds. I had time to swim across the lava lake to a spot where I could climb out and then the fire damage did more than the lava did so I just used a water bucket.

It should be a danger when mining and for traps, so that is why it would be best to simply make it against the rules to use in combat. I thought it already was illegal. =/

 

[c12095]

Nerf the damage into the ground, but I don't want to go and pay someone when I need an incinerator in my home

 

[Plasma78]

if you nerf the damage across board, will that affect the ability of our 'incinerators"? would hate to throw the same stack of cobble in there 4 times......

 

[wolfgang784]

No plasma blocks would still be destroyed, it just wouldn't hurt players nearly as much. It would be much simpler to just make it illegal in pvp though.

 

[Kainzo]

Since you get a profession now and I am against making lava damage lower than it is, I would just say make lava buckets in pvp against the rules. If someone does it, they get a warning.

Lava already doesn't hurt that much for some reason. I have fallen into lava several times as a level 30 ish beast master and it only did a heart every few seconds. I had time to swim across the lava lake to a spot where I could climb out and then the fire damage did more than the lava did so I just used a water bucket.

It should be a danger when mining and for traps, so that is why it would be best to simply make it against the rules to use in combat. I thought it already was illegal. =/

We have no intent on regulating PVP like that. I would much prefer to let players do whatever they can in PVP/world

 

[wolfgang784]

Well in that case the best option would be to make lava weaker all across the board rather than limiting it to certain classes, since everyone who wants to do nothing but pvp would just use that as their secondary. So I guess just weaken it to a reasonable amount, or limit lava bucket use to a fighting class instead of a profession so that warrior cannot use them. Maybe casters?

The problem is that warriors and rogues are strong enough in a fight without a universal skill that does lava and fire damage. Unless the fire damage can be turned off for lava so that people only get caught on fire by caster spells, then lava buckets should be limited to casters since that is their area of damage.

 

[HollowSith]

Both sides have a fair amount of pro's and cons it seems. I'm personally in favour of the damage being diminished if another solution doesn't arise. The problem with making them illegal in PVP, is that the admins really don't need more problems and issues with players fighting over who used a lava bucket and who didn't in a fight. I feel like this could make a lot of jolly admins, cranky . If they are next to useless in PVP, people wouldn't use them. Is it possible to create a chance system to catch fire? Perhaps people wouldn't use it (as much) if they weren't guaranteed to set the enemy on fire. @wolfgang784 is right about Lava damage. The lava just slows you down, it's the fire that's a real pain and commits the most damage.

 

[Kainzo]

Well in that case the best option would be to make lava weaker all across the board rather than limiting it to certain classes, since everyone who wants to do nothing but pvp would just use that as their secondary. So I guess just weaken it to a reasonable amount, or limit lava bucket use to a fighting class instead of a profession so that warrior cannot use them. Maybe casters?

The problem is that warriors and rogues are strong enough in a fight without a universal skill that does lava and fire damage. Unless the fire damage can be turned off for lava so that people only get caught on fire by caster spells, then lava buckets should be limited to casters since that is their area of damage.

Completely untrue - there are better secondaries to just PVP with. ie - Smith or Alchemist.

 

[wolfgang784]

I meant for straight pvp, rather than usefulness. Smith or Alchemist are better for being self sufficient so you can create your own armor and such, but for straight damage wise the class with lava would be the best to go really. Especially if you are in a group and others can be the smiths and alchemists so that you can be a warrior throwing lava everywhere.

 

[Dazureus]

I meant for straight pvp, rather than usefulness. Smith or Alchemist are better for being self sufficient so you can create your own armor and such, but for straight damage wise the class with lava would be the best to go really. Especially if you are in a group and others can be the smiths and alchemists so that you can be a warrior throwing lava everywhere.

That would make some fun fan art. I wish I could draw, haha.

More on topic, I cast my vote in favor of removing lava's ability to ignite people, and not restrict it to a spec.

 

[Kainzo]

That would make some fun fan art. I wish I could draw, haha.

More on topic, I cast my vote in favor of removing lava's ability to ignite people, and not restrict it to a spec.

Lava will be damaging - that has never come into question here

 

[Dazureus]

Lava will be damaging - that has never come into question here

Aren't fire damage and lava damage are two different things? I only mean that I think you should nerf it by not letting it set people on fire, so you could still fall into it and die, but it's not so potent when other people try to drop it on you. I'm not saying make it harmless.

 

[Alator]

Don't know if it's possible, but give placing lava a warmup?

 

[whitemagehealu]

Where's the builder profession that are the only ones that can place blocks? There isn't ENOUGH restriction right now so we really need that builder profession...

 

[Dazureus]

Don't know if it's possible, but give placing lava a warmup?

There's some more fanart. Guy holding a bucket, waiting for the lava to ooze out like molasses.

 

[wolfgang784]

Quickly, someone find us an artist! My artistic ability is limited to crude stick figures D=